Talking with Angels by Gitta Mallasz

An introduction by Betsy Whitfill

Talking with Angels is the true story of four friends living in Hungary who, in the midst of World War II, received teachings from Beings they called Angels.

Living in a small village outside Budapest, Gitta Mallasz and her three Jewish companions, Lili, Hanna and Hanna's husband Joseph, had been deeply
disturbed by the increasing numbers of arrests. The period was one of political tension and terror as the Nazis swept across Hungary, capturing and deporting Jews.

In the hope of assuaging their feeling that, as Gitta wrote, they "had come to an ending and something was about to happen", they agreed to write down their concerns, and discuss them together. One day, Hanna remarked to Gitta that her writings were very superficial. As she was speaking, she suddenly had a vision in which a "strange force" took Gitta's notes, tore them up and threw them on the floor. Unnerved, she then told Gitta: "It is not I who will speak to you." The next time she spoke, Hanna mouthed the words: "Enough of your shallow questions! It is time for you to be responsible for yourself!" This was the beginning of the communications from the 'Angels'.

On 25 June 1943 the first of 88 dialogues was given by the Angels. Gitta wrote down the Angels' words, 'spoken' through Hanna, who said that she was "filled with a bright light, but there is nothing joyous about it. On the contrary, it illuminates my darkest interior with merciless clarity and I am compelled to see myself without deception". The Angel told her: "The seed will not be sown on hard ground. You will be tilled by endless searching. What has been good will become bad. What has been bad will become good." The angel invited her to ask a question, but she was so overwhelmed that she could not think of one, and the dialogue ended.

Hanna described her experience during the dialogue as being in a state of heightened perception. She could see the room and Gitta clearly, and knew what Gitta was experiencing inwardly, while simultaneously being aware of the Angel, whose feelings were, she said, of an entirely different quality from those of ordinary people. She described them as "indignation", "love" or "tenderness". Gitta and Hanna were totally surprised by the visitation, since they considered themselves to be very average people. When they told Joseph and Lili of their experience, Joseph was skeptical but Lili asked to be present at the next dialogue.

The early dialogues were predominantly with Gitta and Lili, during which they asked personal questions, revealing the process of this new relationship.
For example, Gitta was often overwhelmed by her emotions. Her Angel taught that emotion and sentiment blocked her contact with him. But, he said, if she raised herself "up to the infinite" they could always be together. Her task was "to shine with true feeling", to be so inwardly bright that anyone who looked at her was awakened. False feeling, he told her, moves in waves - loving first one thing, then another. True feeling is inwardly motionless, loves everything, and "shines". He further explained that matter and spirit meet in the eyes, where the force "ignites and radiates out". If, with emotion, you block the rising force of true feeling at the throat, you choke it off, "But if you offer it up to the Divine just as it reaches the throat, the force becomes transformed into Light, which rises up and shines out through the eyes".

In one of the later dialogues the Angel told the four: "Raise up your feelings and the vibration will intensify. What raises feelings? Longings? No. Faith? It is only a possibility. The force which raises feelings is the offering of yourself, the giving of yourself."

Lili, a movement therapist and teacher, was called by her Angel "the one who helps". She had a very earnest nature, but struggled with depression and nervousness, which, her Angel said, would disappear when she began to act according to her task - to express "overflowing love", the Divine within. When she asked whether she would receive help with her work, the Angel responded that she must begin by herself, and then help would come. He told her that if she wished or wanted to see him again, she would not see him. She would see him, however, when her task required it. Everything, he said, would depend on the intensity of her effort.

The Angel told all of them to end wishing and wanting. They were not to depend on anything for support, but to have faith only in the Divine. "What
appears to be your surest support will become the darkest void. Do not seize the support or you yourself will become the void."

The idea of self-reliance permeated all the dialogues and was delivered with increasing emphasis as they moved from their village to Budapest to escape Nazi arrest. The Angels counseled them to be independent and rid themselves of old habits ("habit is death"), and never to look back. They taught true humility, which is recognized when "bowing the head uplifts". They taught that evil is "the no longer good", and is created by man. They were not to try to change the bad, but to strengthen the good, which would absorb the bad all around it. Hate, they taught, is a mask for fear and shame.

Hanna's Angel was "the One who measures", whom Gitta described as being a "presence of such measured and grave dignity and strength" that he frightened her: she called him the "Angel of Divine Justice". He taught them that the Divine gives each a measure, and that it does not matter whether one's measure is big or small, but that giving according to one's measure is the source of joy, which returns, in full measure, to the one who gives. In giving, he said, one acts in union with the Divine, which gives everything. He regularly assessed their capacity to give, to serve, which he called their acts, often admonishing them.

"What is measured by 'the one who measures'? Space. The circle in which your hand does not act is worthless."

"The divine sows the act, and the human receives it. Circle and act exist in time and space. And O measures them through me. (O is the Hungarian pronoun used by the Angels for the Divine.)

"The weighing scales are empty: your acts are insufficient. It bores me to measure emptiness: I long to offer fruit. The Divine expects more of you!"

Joseph was a carpenter who designed and built furniture, and was always a calm and quiet presence. His Angel called him "the one who builds", a
"messenger of Heaven" whose task was to build Heaven on Earth. "The earth below is just as near as the silence here above: they are One. Only on the earth can the act be accomplished."

"Empty is the earth, but the Divine Hand fills it - the Hand whose name is the Human. The Human is 'the one who builds' (Joseph). The Human is 'the one who helps' (Lili). The Human is 'the one who shines' (Gitta). The Human is 'the one who acts with measure' (Hanna)."

The human is the bridge between the created and the creating worlds, and is, the Angels told them, the cradle for the New World. The four friends
symbolized the fourth kingdom in nature. The four, in raising their vibration to that of the angels, and acting according to their task, would represent the New Human, which is the Hand of the Divine. Becoming that link was the united task of Hanna, Joseph, Lili and Gitta, and by extension the ultimate goal of all humans as they rise in consciousness to become Human, acting as expressions (the Hand) of the Divine. The angels told them: "Heaven is within you."

To escape the increasing threat of arrest by the Nazis the four moved to Hanna's parents' vacant apartment in Budapest, but the situation rapidly worsened. They became depressed and fearful for their safety, prompting the "One who measures" to beg them: "Serve! Serve day and night! To stand still is forbidden! You have been entrusted with many talents and you must account for them. Behold! It is wonderful to serve the Divine! Blossom - bear flowers! I implore you!"

Several times, the Angels emphasized that they must choose, decide and, without looking back, act to bring about the New World in which joy (giving) is the air, peace is the vibration. "Swear to Heaven that you will bring it about."

The Angels assured them that through the teaching and stimulation given through the dialogues, the four were fully capable of living their tasks - but
they must act. "The Creator creates the divine Plan eternally through us, but without you, nothing can be."

"Heaven speaks: The earth will receive wings through us and through you. If you speak through us: We stand on the earth. If we act through you, you receive wings."

On the eve of Joseph's deportation to what they later learned was a concentration camp (where he died), one of the Angels told the four that they
were effective only if they acted together. They were the voices of the 'New Song' - whether they are together physically or not. The New Song is, the
Angels said, the new vibration "attuned to the Divine - it is named Light".

Joseph's fate prompted Gitta to search for a way to save Hanna and Lili from deportation. An influential friend told her of a secret plan to save 100 Jewish women and children by setting up a factory in a vacant cloister in Buda. It would ostensibly be for the production of war materials, sewing uniforms, and thus in accord with the Hungarian War Ministry's plans, and under its protection. It would also be under the protection of the clergy in charge of the cloister. Since she was the daughter of a former high-ranking Austrian military officer in the Hungarian army, Gitta was offered, and accepted, the job of 'voluntary Commander' of the factory. Hanna and Lili were among those employed there.

Gitta's office was a shed in the cloister garden, where dialogues continued, although the Angels told them that they were no longer to ask the Angels on behalf of themselves because they had been "given all": "Those who no longer ask for themselves act."

During the dialogue on the Summer Solstice of 21 June 1944, the Angel told them: "Your asking creates, both here above and there below. Now the new sound vibrates. Now the new sun rises. Just now, when the old sun is at its zenith. Now everything begins. The turning point is now. From eternity to eternity. Amen." Gitta sensed the beginning of a new phase in human evolution.

The Angels spoke of the New Love - "continuous giving": "The greatest gift given us by the divine is that we may give."

"No longer action and reaction; no longer reward and punishment; no longer knife and caressing."

"In the church, everyone pleads and begs. But this is not your way. Your heart and His are One. This is not a gift: it is your task. Never again raise your head to ask for yourself. You are being begged for deliverance. Open your arms wide! Give: always give! Act: always act!"

The many dialogues, which included long silences in which the Angels provided much stimulation, were creating the desired results. One of the women
in the factory noticed that Hanna's face was "radiant" when she returned to the factory after spending time in Gitta's office. She asked, and was invited, to attend the dialogues. Years later, she reported to Gitta that she had heard all the words Hanna spoke inside herself. The woman who shared Lili's shed became so devoted to her that she too asked to join in the dialogues.

The Angels' final dialogue, on 24 November 1944, ended with the words: "Believe: Eternal Life is already yours."

On 2 December 1944 Hungarian Nazis stormed the gates of the cloister. Gitta had previously enlisted protection for the women from the German SS soldiers camped next door, so she raced to them for help. They stood guard and hurried the Jewish women and children through a hole in a wall to safety in the forest beyond. Gitta managed to delay the Hungarian soldiers long enough for most of the women to escape, but 13 of them stayed behind, were captured and sent to Ravensbrück concentration camp. Lili and Hanna were among them. Gitta surmised that they had stayed behind in order to save her, fearing she would have been shot if there were no women left for the Hungarian Nazis to arrest.

Lili and Hanna later died in the camp. Hanna had often told Gitta that of all of them, she must survive and give the dialogues to the world. One of the 13 women later told Gitta that, in the camp, Lili was such a loving force that the other prisoners would voluntarily work with her at the most difficult labour.

Hanna, she added had convinced her that although she had been beaten, the degradation of the beatings could not touch her, and so she was able to
withstand the trials of the camp and to survive. Gitta lived for some years 'underground' in Hungary to help her parents. When they died in 1960, she moved to Paris, married, and translated the dialogues from Hungarian into French. A friend took them to a prominent French radio journalist, Claude Mettra, who interviewed Gitta on his Radio France program The Living and the Gods in April 1976. The interview drew such acclaim that the dialogues were published in Paris that year as Dialogues avec l'Ange.

Despite many invitations to speak publicly, Gitta retired to the countryside with her husband until 1983, when she accepted an invitation to speak at the CG Jung Institute in Zurich. The response was so tremendous that she agreed to speaking tours throughout Europe, and subsequently wrote three books based on questions asked during her tours: Die Engel erlebt ("The Angels Experienced"), Weltenmorgen ("Dawning World"), and Sprung ins Unbekannte ("Leap into the Unknown"). From 1984 the dialogues were translated into English, and published in 1988. Gitta died in May 1992.

Gitta Mallasz (transcribed by): Talking with Angels. Daimon, Switzerland, 1998. ISBN 3-85630-564-5

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