Interview with Glenda Green by Betsy Whitfill
Worth, Texas, USA
Glenda Green is an internationally recognized portrait painter and
art historian. In 1989, her husband had a dream that Glenda was to paint
a portrait of Jesus Christ. The possibility intrigued her, but it took
nearly two years before she decided to undertake such a painting. After
months of study, research, and contemplation, she felt frustrated as to
how to proceed. She prayed in her studio for guidance.
Glenda describes what happened next: "At that moment, a presence
entered the room unlike any I've ever experienced ... Although He was
transparent, there was a radiant glow, and He displaced the air so conspicuously
that I could see currents of pressure-waves rippling about eight feet
in front of me. Was it the Holy Spirit ... or perhaps a special angel?
... later experiences and insights were to reveal that it was the Master
Himself, in pure spiritual form.
"The Presence called my name, though in no human words I know, and
then shot a beam of energy from Himself to a point between my eyes. I
presume He implanted something into my optic nerve, for a radiant picture
projected before my eyes. It was an exact visual prototype of the painting
to be done....
"From that moment forward, my life has not been the same, not even
in the smallest way ... After that, the events of every day unfolded perfectly
as they should, and each hour of work was a living dialogue with the Master."
Glenda Green's book, Love Without End: Jesus Speaks*, is the result of
the Master Jesus's four-month visit to her studio in Fort Worth, Texas.
Glenda was interviewed by Share International co-worker Betsy Whitfill.
Share International: From 23 November 1991 until 12 March 1992,
the Master Jesus appeared to you in your studio so that you could paint
His picture. Could you describe the experience of having Jesus visit you?
Glenda Green: It was amazingly comfortable. Prior to this, I had
thought that being in the presence of Divinity, or in a higher realm,
I would feel inadequate or unworthy, conditioned as I was by the various
dogmas of the Earth. I was surprised at how much the Master extended Himself
to make it OK for me to be exactly who I am, and what I am. We talked
about sacred things and ordinary things, and He seemed to express an equal
interest in anything that interested me. There was not only an absence
of judgement, but also an absence of any predisposition to judgement.
This is the most important thing to communicate. There was nothing too
insignificant for Him to deal with, nothing too major for Him to reveal.
SI: Jesus spoke to you a great deal about love. What is love and
why is it so important?
GG: Love is what, literally, makes the world go round. It
is what created the world. Love was the first manifestation of existence,
prior to which was simply the unknowable. Of all things that can
be known, love is the ultimate and the primary. It exists on the
cusp between the unknowable and the knowable. Love cannot be defined.
It is the definer, coexisting with the Creator and all creative
forces. Therefore, it is the closest thing, within the knowable,
to the power of existence. It is a proto-energy - that which motivates
things into being energetic.
Glenda Green's painting of Jesus,
"The Lamb and the Lion",
has been placed in a church in Fort Worth, Texas,
run by The Christ Truth League,
a non-denominational Christian organization.
The church is open everyday to all people.
SI: You wrote that Jesus urged that people "be love".
Why is it so difficult?
GG: Because people confuse love with attachments. This is why the
Masters, through the ages, have focused on releasing attachments as a
primary mode to ascendancy and soul fulfilment. It's not that we are to
disattach in order to live in poverty, or to have nothing, to have no
gratification of the senses or no experience of desire. The root meaning
of desire is "of God". Without desire for the higher life, you
don't reach the higher life. The only reason to conquer desire is to conquer
the association between love and attachments.
SI: Jesus talked to you about the mind and its structure-creating
capacity obscuring love. Could you explain?
GG: The mind is binary, as is any computer. It is a recorder of
data; it integrates data and makes comparisons. This enables us to evaluate
and make choices, but the mind builds polarity in thinking. Love is the
great primal integrator which sees the oneness of things. The mind is
a powerful and valuable servant. The Master never diminished the importance
of developing one's intelligence through education. But because the mind
is binary, it has to be a servant. That which is primary is singular.
The heart is the hub of the wheel of life - the singular point, and love
resides in the awareness of singularity, through which we can comprehend
unity. Singularity and unity have to be proprietary - to be above binary
Structure can be created by anything, from Divinity to the lowest motivation
for survival. It is just an organizational pattern for purposes of predictability
and order in life. That's all. You have to know where to place structure
in your life. You must realize that it is derivative. Structure doesn't
create anything; it is a created form. Just as the mind is secondary,
being binary, structure appropriately placed is a derivative form. Even
original Creation, as structure, is derivative. God preceded the Cosmos.
SI: Jesus spoke to you about economics, saying that "structure
creates the illusion that expansion is the only route to power and glory,"
and that "collapse occurs when nations over-extend, over-specialize
and prevent natural cycles of compression". Is this relevant to today's
world economic situation?
GG: Yes. We have expanded so far away from natural order that we'll
have to reconnect, compress, willingly or through collapse. Historically,
it has happened time and again to great civilizations. This great principle
lies at the back of everything. We can avoid the pain of this coming collapse
by intentional compression. Jesus stressed this. If everyone who can do
so gracefully initiates the process, we increase the ratio of probability
entire world can do it.
SI: You wrote that sharing leads to prosperity for everyone. Could
you enlarge on this?
GG: It is such a simple, self-evident principle, it's hard to enlarge
on it. We build walls to protect our proprietary stuff - ideas and/or
property. These walls eventually cut us off from receiving. An idea which
served me well five years ago may not necessarily nourish me today. Had
I shared my idea years ago, I would have new ideas coming back to me today.
The proprietary concept must be as fluid as is life if it is to be valuable.
SI: As individuals we may be able to understand sharing to some
extent, but on national and international levels there tends to be resistance.
Did Jesus have any suggestions?
GG: The Master's definition of morality is change for the better.
Some nations are locked into their history and are unwilling to see a
future which brings change for the better. But there are things on the
horizon which will make life so much better than anything existing in
history, that the clutching hand of the baby will eventually let go of
SI: What do you see on the horizon?
GG: One thing would be the new science, and another international
communications (Internet) which are so free and so fresh that people can
have a sense of liberty without having to pack up and leave their homes
or countries. When freedom becomes an option for everyone, you'll find
it to be an irresistible commodity.
SI: Jesus also told you that "So much love energy is being
poured on the Earth now, it will shatter some needless structures."
Love from where?
GG: From three sources. One is Divinity itself, because the will
of God is that the greatest good be done. Another source is from all beings
arrived at Christed levels of awareness, who are radiating tremendous
amounts of love. The third source will actually account for the crash
that's about to happen, but this collapse will not be externally engineered.
Throughout the history of human evolution we have been building structures
more to compensate for our unconsciousness than our consciousness. We
have governments and military to keep the tigers out, not to manage what
we have. However, during the long evolution of consciousness, we have
been increasing in awareness. Now we are at the point where our consciousness
exceeds our unconsciousness. This consciousness will itself destroy the
structures which unconsciousness has built to deal with the unknown. It
is a natural evolutionary process. The Master said that is why it has
been predicted by every race of man, every religion throughout time. I
would call it humanitarian love, the ability to do the greater good regardless
of the price. We will choose the greater, and the lesser will disappear.
I think we're virtually there now, but everything ebbs and flows.
SI: Is this the "great healing" Jesus told you is to
SI: Do you think the imminence of this transformation influenced
the timing of Jesus's visit to you?
GG: Yes. I think the whole message was intended to expedite this
process for those who can benefit from His reinforcement.
SI: Did He say anything about His return?
GG: Not really. I did ask if He would be coming back soon. He said:
"Soon, but not in the framework that others would see for me."
SI: Since Jesus is Teacher for the Christian Church, what message
did He have for modern Christianity?
GG: I did not notice any difference between His words to me and
His ancient words to the Earth except that there was clarification. Traditional
Christianity is not, for the most part, operating from His words but from
the dogma imposed on His words. He's very pragmatic and to Him there is
nothing more practical than living a spiritual life. He sees no separation
between the physical and spiritual. The soul's fulfilment is not different
from fulfilment of a human life.
When we understand where structure belongs, we'll rise above competing
dogmas. Dogma is just intellectual structure. That's why He said: "When
you know the truth, the truth will set you free." People erected
dogma to compensate for what they did not understand, to complement their
ignorance not their wisdom. A study of comparative religions shows that
all religions create dogma, and that is the difference between them. Their
wisdom is all the same.
SI: Did Jesus refer to any of the great Teachers, like the Buddha?
GG: Only once. He said: "The reason I am here is to assist
you in knowing the Father. If you worship Me and know not the Father,
then you've taken
the wrong pathway." So you can see what has happened. At that moment
I wondered if this would also be true for Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus and
others, and He said: "If you know the Buddha in order to know the
Father, then you are not lost. If you know the Buddha only to know the
then you've taken the wrong pathway."
SI: What is the most important thing Jesus told you, and how did
it change your life?
GG: Speaking personally, He helped me transcend my persona and
restore my relationship with my Source/Creator. I feel a greater connection
everyone and everything. As a consequence, I am able to do this work.
SI: As you travel around speaking, how are audiences responding?
GG: Believe it or not, I've been invited to give the Sunday service,
in the pulpit, to more than 20 Christian denominations and other nondenominational
churches. People respond tremendously well. I've spoken to New Age groups,
but they are wary of my introducing dogma. Once they know the breadth
of the message, there's a tremendous response.
SI: What are your future plans?
GG: I'll be writing two more books. The Workbook will assist in
a deeper understanding and will allow me to bring in other aspects of
The other book, called Gunnar Glow Star, The Cat Who Saw Christ, will
be for the child in us all, to distil the pure essence of the message
from innocent perception. I'll be doing seminars to help others develop
the work. There are study groups forming now around the country, which
I think are very important.
*Love Without End: Jesus Speaks, by Glenda Green, Heartwings Publishing,
PO Box 14251, Fort Worth, Texas 76117, USA.
Quotes from the Master Jesus in Glenda Green's book, Love without end:
"Blessed are those who live in moderation, for they shall inherit
the earth. Moderation is the economy of God and the economy of blessing....
As Heaven comes to Earth, the standard of economy will be that of moderation.
It will not be necessary for one person to hoard and another to starve.
Sharing will become a joy as you learn that everything you share will
become the basis of your own receiving."
"When the heart is in the proper relationship to God, and the master
of one's life, then charity occurs as a natural aspect of sharing."
"There are no structures that cannot be superseded by love."
"Kindness is the heart of living. It is what makes life bearable,
meaningful and delicious."
"Division is the instrument of all evil."
"Any prayer asked in love, or honoring love, will be answered, although
your Father has no covenant to answer the prayers of your ego, to solve
self-made problems, or to make its fictions result in happiness. Your
Creator is one with reality, so how can He answer a prayer that seeks
further separation from the love and the reality that He is? Even if He
were willing, how could He? When you pray to be strengthened in your understanding
of reality and your competence with it, your every prayer will be answered
and often dramatically."
"The realization of love restored can come in a thousand ways ...
a peaceful heart, a dance step in your walk, a child's kiss, or a glistening
spring morning. What it universally means is that the love of God is present.
If love appears to vanish for a while do not worry: it only seems that
way, so that you will seek it again. Love is a mystery - the greatest
mystery of the universe. Love is your true Self, which springs forth from
God, the indefinable everlasting fountain of existence. There is no explaining
what or who will ignite the fire of love within you. There is also no
explaining how you, in turn, may light the fire of another."
"Behold infinity every day, and all that you seek shall be given
from: Share International September 1999
Reprinted courtesy of © Share